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Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:49:00 -
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won't someone think of the pennies we will lose |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:38:00 -
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think of this as an opportunity to become a more complete eve player by learning the black art of pos mechanics |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 03:21:00 -
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on the EVE of this long awaited industry revamp I'd just like to thank all the posters that helped make this happen
YES WE CAN! |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:19:00 -
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javer wrote:Sir HyperChrist wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Aresti wrote:"Build times are generally rank * 300 seconds."
The effect this appears it will have upon the T2 industry as a whole (BPO/BPC) concerns me, and I don't recall any previous discussion on it (granted, I might have missed it).
Currently some levels of frigates/cruisers take longer to build than others. HACs vs Logistics and AFs vs Intys for example. This change removes that distinction.
More importantly, the time to build T2 hulls from BPCs or BPOs on a whole appears to be vastly increasing due to the rank basis, while module build time appears to be vastly reduced. Focusing just on hulls here, can do another post for ammo/modules if needed. If I've made an error in the calculations somewhere let me know.
This is what it appears the calculation would be post patch, with extraFactor being a multiplier for ammo/capital builds. For the sake of simplicity, all builds are assumed to be in a station, TE at 20%, Industry 5, Adv Indy 5 and 4% implant with no team.
Formula: (rank*300*extraFactor)TE%*Industry Skill*Adv Indy skill*implant = prod time in seconds per run
New Numbers
Frigate: (400*300*1)0.8*0.8*0.95*0.94=70041.6 (1167.36m/19.46h/0.81d, or 37.01 within 30 days)
Destroyer: (600*300*1)0.8*0.8*0.95*0.94=105062.4 (1751.04m/29.18h/1.22d, or 24.67 within 30 days)
Cruiser: (800*300*1)0.8*0.8*0.95*0.94=140083.2 (2334.72m/38.91h/1.62d, or 18.5 within 30 days)
BC: (1000*300*1)0.8*0.8*0.95*0.94=175104 (2918.4m/48.64h/2.03/d or 14.8 within 30 days)
BS: (1200*300*1)0.8*0.8*0.95*0.94=210124.8 (3502.08m/58.37h/2.43d)
JFs: (4000*300*4)0.8*0.8*0.95*0.94=2801664 (46694.4m/778.24h/32.43d)
For simple comparison's sake, currently a player can build approximately 165 Intys, 102 AFs, 68 Interdictors, 52 Logistics, 25 HACs, 34 Recons or 25 Command ships in 30 days time. Blops are less than 1d16hr.
This is a pretty serious nerf to player productivity for hulls and will require individuals to use 2-3 characters to produce the same as 1 does now, assuming invention and BPC building. A quick look at module production looks like it has been increased by a factor of around 1.8 (1029 light ions before, 1897 after, 275 425mm IIs before, 632 after). Could we have some elaboration on the thoughts and intentions behind this please CCP? There's *extensive* discussion with what's going on with the data here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345753&find=unreadThe bottom line though is that we have attempted, hopefully with a decent degree of success, to ensure that throughput for invented items per character is roughly the same before and after, once you build in all the various bonuses available (see starbase bonuses, for example). If there's any significant mismatches post-release, let us know and we'll make adjustments! I second this. right now a Prorator bpo builds 51 units per month in a station, after patch only 18 a small T2 drone bpo builds 4125 units in a station, over 5500 at a pos (remotely), after patch only 2960 a medium T2 drone bpo is now at 2800 unites at a pos, which will drop to1480 in station (slightly more by using bpc's) a large T2 drone now gives 1880 units at a pos. Only986 will remain after patch A T2 BPO nerf has been long in the coming, but this patch they get nerfed twice: 50% more materials and 2 to 3 times less units produced for the examples above. And no transparency about all this before the patchnotes. Is this truly what you want? well it took time but with ccp doing it, they dunno what incremental steps mean and so they took the sledge hammer out when a few more taps with a regular hammer would have done the job. Without going over the f-ing top, congrats on reducing amount of active subscriptions yet again and on making a hash out of the previously working access regulations for assembly lines, and taxation for a assembly line doesnt allow setups were the owner is charged diffrent than the rest. im so happy with having invested into upgrading a station about a year ago. 50% increase in t2 bpo materials=ohh no, you forgot to do the math again and so my monthly demand on the bpo's are actually down by 66% ie moon go is comming down in price from bpo's demand but up because ccp ****** up yet again in forcing more invention into working parts of the market
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Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:27:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:What happened to Weaslior?
he flew too close to the Posting Sun |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.26 16:15:00 -
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its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:48:00 -
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Arist en Daire wrote:Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs You are so correct!!! The only people posting that are "supposed 'economic experts' " are those who "were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs". Yeah RIIIGGGHHTTTT!!!!!!! I have never (yet) researched a BP nor sold one. Have preferred to buy and use the "hilariously over-researched bpcs" because they were more economical both in terms of production time and more particularly in terms of materials. Both of which contribute to the cost of manufacture. My major isk making is in trading - which I do rather well at. I have 21 units of graduate studies completed towards an MBA, I have owned my own business in the work-aday-world and I have 6 years experience in retail management -- so I probably know at least a "little" about economics and the market. Now -- let's hear your credentials.
i believe that you are a MBA grad student because you are completely incapable of separating theory from actual real or in this game, ingame, application |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:50:00 -
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gotta shore up GoonFleets numbers a bit to impress the analysts, lets fire Space Violence |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:00:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Capt GoodDeal wrote:Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs And your area of industrial expertise is??? Lemme guess....ganking defenseless haulers and miners? Don't mind "her", it's years I annoy them. Ya know, openly talking against the baddies they are, except 2 of their economy leaders (Mynna and Aryth) who are REALLY REALLY good and probably without them GS would have been neutered years ago. Wars are won with money and they are really good at finding ways to make it. Too bad imo they are being used and squatter-ed by a lot of bloodsuckers who entertrain a nice life they would not be able to remotely afford if they had to participate and work hard to repay losses, ship replacement programs and so on. Like any good socialist system, it lives nice and happy until taxpayers money is over. And can afford spewing propaganda 24/7.
thankfully there seems to be a never ending supply of pubbies to keep wringing isk out of so thanks for helping us live the american dream
and by american dream i dont mean house with a white picket fence, i mean building and maintaining our first world empire by exploiting the **** out of lesser groups |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.27 04:01:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:we recognize that sometimes it's upsetting to be in the presence of greats. i mean if i really loved to play basketball and really wanted to be good at it i'd probably get frustrated by playing against lebron james and getting squashed and knowing that i was never going to be on that level. and i'm way closer to lebron than most people itt are to us, so it's got to be even worse.
but the thing is we're here to help. you may dislike our swarthy alliance, our rugged good looks and our well-deserved swagger as the preeminent economic group in eve, miles above even our closest competitors (who, i regret to say, are none of you). but we're always dispensing helpful advice that you don't want to hear.
you probably can't ever be us: You know who were the last Superior Men talking and downtalking like you are? It was BoB propagandists. You have become like and worse than them, and this is aggravating considering how arrogant they were. That's why many supported TEST, at least they were still like you were years ago.
people who supported test were idiots hope that helps |
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Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.29 00:02:00 -
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Jonathan Yatolila wrote:Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:Arist en Daire wrote:Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs You are so correct!!! The only people posting that are "supposed 'economic experts' " are those who "were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs". Yeah RIIIGGGHHTTTT!!!!!!! I have never (yet) researched a BP nor sold one. Have preferred to buy and use the "hilariously over-researched bpcs" because they were more economical both in terms of production time and more particularly in terms of materials. Both of which contribute to the cost of manufacture. My major isk making is in trading - which I do rather well at. I have 21 units of graduate studies completed towards an MBA, I have owned my own business in the work-aday-world and I have 6 years experience in retail management -- so I probably know at least a "little" about economics and the market. Now -- let's hear your credentials. i believe that you are a MBA grad student because you are completely incapable of separating theory from actual real or in this game, ingame, application Hmmm - so what you are truly saying - or in this case not saying - is that you have no credentials. Thank you for that admission.
i have stayed at many Holiday Inns |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.29 00:06:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:How unsurprising, I come back after some days and I see a flood of posts all from one side.
So, to recap, EvE now consists of:
- Territory control heavily dominated by one.
- Economy partly dominated by one (and I suppose, they are diligently working on fixing the "partly").
- Industry being shifted away to suit and follow.
- Forums just flooded to crush any outsider opinion, any attempt to raise the head.
Speaking on general terms, now EvE consists of two "factions":
- those who took control and dominate with a strong grip.
- the others.
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Goon Posters |
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